Episode 7: Jammy Buffet

Bub & Pop | Episode 7: Jammy Buffet (recorded January 26, 2026)

Join music journalist Matt Hoffman at VentureX in Denver for a conversation with Jammy Buffet, the rising jam band performing the music of Jimmy Buffett. (The two have more in common than you might think!) They talk about what it's like to have a foot in both worlds, as well as some amazing stories about Jimmy and the Reefers.

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Host: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Hoffman⁠⁠⁠⁠ | Producer: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Tedd Kanakaris⁠ Location: ⁠⁠VentureX

TRANSCRIPT (minimally QCed)

Jammy Buffet Final Cut w Watermark.txt

English (US)

00:00:00.440 — 00:00:09.120 · Matt Hoffman

Hi, I'm Matt Hoffman, and this is the Urban Pop podcast where we talk about music, careers in music, life, the universe and everything.

00:00:19.960 — 00:01:32.760 · Matt Hoffman

Today, I am incredibly excited to share this wonderful conversation I had with the men of Jimmy Buffett. These folks were not on my radar at all until a random conversation with Max Davies from the Kitchen Dwellers at the Annapolis Bay Glass Festival in 2025. Dwellers covered. Son of a son of the Sailor by Jimmy Buffett.

Love that song. And I texted Max and told him so. He said, whoa, you love Jimmy Buffett. We love Jimmy Buffett. Joe Funk really loves Jimmy Buffett. And you need to hear about this band, Jimmy Buffett at their opening for us as part of this upcoming Denver run that we're doing early next year, you should definitely check it out.

There are a lot of things I love about this band. They take the music seriously, as did Jimmy, but they don't take themselves too seriously. Nor did Jimmy. I could go on and on about Jimmy Buffett, and I probably will, but I'm most excited for you all to hear from Jimmy right now. Definitely check them out when they're near you.

They'll be the best time that you never knew you were going to have. And with that, I am really excited to share this conversation with the men of Jimmy Buffett and Joy.

00:01:34.560 — 00:01:55.120 · Bob Barrick

Over time, we just discovered that there was a, you know, a need in the both the GM community for, um, some happy tropical vibes and, uh, simultaneously in the Parrot Head community for, um, for a group of youngins to step into, you know, the massive empty space that Jimmy left when he left the world.

00:01:55.320 — 00:02:21.390 · Matt Hoffman

Absolutely. Well. And like, I feel like the sort of knee jerk response to who is filling in that gap would be, you know what? Like Kenny Chesney, Zac Brown, damned whatever. Um, how do you think about what you all are doing versus what they all are doing? You know, what's what's your, um, way of honoring his legacy versus the way, say, others are doing it?

Yeah. Well, I.

00:02:21.390 — 00:03:54.790 · Brendan Mayer

Think obviously I would start with the fact that Kenny and Zach are both awesome, but they're a huge they're on a really high upper echelon, um, part of their career, I would say, like, and they've already established themselves kind of in a specific lane. I mean, I remember Jimmy talking about both of those guys in the early 2000 and kind of saying, man, it's kind of cool that these dudes are kind of following in my wake and building their careers kind of off what I've built.

And so he he was amazed by that. But but they also have been around for a long time and have established themselves down a specific lane. And they do honor Jimmy like in I know they each play a couple Jimmy songs every show they do. Which is awesome. And there's a lot of cross-pollination between those groups.

Like Mac McAnally plays with Kenny all the time. Played with him at The Sphere in Vegas. Caroline Jones is part of Zac Brown Band now, and she was out with Jimmy for a number of years, um, in the 20 tens. So there's a lot of connection there. I think what we're doing is we're just approaching it a little more kind of renegade rock n roll style.

We're obviously a lot less country than what those guys are doing. The cool thing about Jimmy was that he was such a musical chameleon. He lived across all these genres, so you can kind of pick and choose, uh, what part of Jimmy you want to chase down as a band, which makes it really fun. And, you know, those guys kind of chase down the country route and we're we're going a little more Gulf and Western outlaw, I think.

Rock and roll.

00:03:54.830 — 00:04:18.019 · Bob Barrick

Yeah. I mean, there was there was a period in the mid and late 70s of Jimmy's career, where they were like a real rock and roll band, you know, and it continued for sure. But like that, that little period there where they were just like kind of lunatics out there on the road and, and you can hear it in the live recordings like you had to be there like, that's that's a tight band playing loose, you know, and that's, that's what we're kind of going for.

00:04:18.060 — 00:04:44.460 · Matt Hoffman

Oh, absolutely. Well and it was, it was nice to see as a massive fan. It was cool to see you guys do stuff from like you know, great filling station hold up all the way through to the banana wind stuff like I like the way that you put it Brendan. He's just such a musical chameleon. What are some commonalities that you guys see?

Uh, between the dead and the dead scene and Jimmy and say the the parrot had seen Tyler. Maybe I'll start with you.

00:04:44.500 — 00:05:57.770 · Tyler Gwynn

I mean, I think we were kind of talking about this last night. Were like my from now getting, like, the crash course in the parrot had seen in the community. It's they're very similar. Like the ownership. They take over the music. The the lifestyle of like following the band and going to multiple shows a year.

And there's such a similarity of fandom and I think I was joking. I was saying, I think with you last night, I was like, they're all jam band fans. They just don't know it yet where they're like hoping songs get played, hoping, you know, waiting for this version or like, you know, oh, they haven't played this in years.

Like, it's the same kind of sticks and bricks of the jam scene. And so it's kind of been interesting to see those combine. There was something about like people liked the records, but I bet there were, you know, so many people, like with jam bands who exclusively listened to the live stuff or exclusively experience it through the live show and the lot before and the hanging out.

So, I mean, it's it's funny, I think people in the scenes think they're very different, but from like a bird's eye view, it's like, oh, they're the same people and it's the same energy and same fun. And so getting a chance to kind of crash them together has been, um. It's been amazing.

00:05:57.810 — 00:06:02.010 · Matt Hoffman

Mhm. Mickey, what do you think? Because I know you also come from more of a jazz background.

00:06:02.050 — 00:06:54.810 · Mickey Lenny

Yeah. I mean, going off with Tyler said like it's the the live show is what hooked so many people. And I would say most of the serious parrot heads. I've met most of the people who are sharing their stories around. Jimmy. It started with, yeah, my friend brought me to this show and here I am 30 years later, and I've seen, you know, 200 shows or whatever it is.

Um, and, you know, that's that's what what drew me into it was the live element. Um, I ended up in the jam band world because it was a place I could improvise and get away from some of the establishment of, you know, jazz, higher education, which, you know, we can we can talk about higher education however we want, but doesn't exactly, uh, cultivate passion or make you, make you fall more in love with a certain type of music.

00:06:54.930 — 00:06:54.210 · Bob Barrick

Unless.

00:06:55.210 — 00:06:55.570 · Mickey Lenny

You go to.

00:06:55.610 — 00:06:56.490 · Bob Barrick

Domino College.

00:06:56.530 — 00:06:57.530 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah. That's good.

00:06:57.570 — 00:06:58.970 · Bob Barrick

That's good. Yeah.

00:06:59.810 — 00:07:00.730 · Matt Hoffman

That went over my head.

00:07:00.770 — 00:07:01.130 · Tyler Gwynn

Okay.

00:07:02.370 — 00:07:28.290 · Mickey Lenny

So. Yeah. You know, getting to play this music has really shown me, like, a whole nother level of how I can. How I can love it. And, you know, getting to experience whether it's a kid, uh, some show, maybe Louisville or a kid came up to me and he's like, yeah, I've been a huge parrot head my whole life. My dad brought me here.

I get jam bands now. Mm. You know, and hearing a 20 year old say that that's that's powerful.

00:07:28.330 — 00:07:36.250 · Tyler Gwynn

Especially not the other way around. Like coming in and being like. Oh, now I understand jam. Like, it's cool to be seeing people brought in from one world into the other.

00:07:36.290 — 00:08:04.480 · Bob Barrick

But I mean, you hear it the opposite though as well. You know, I got when, when we really first started this thing, I got a friend in Boulder who, um, came to an early show and afterwards was like, yo, Bob, why didn't you, like, what have I, what have I missed? And I was like, I been trying to tell you, man, for like a decade that Jimmy was the man.

And you have to go to these shows. But, you know, there's a particular subset that just didn't associate. And we're we're bringing it to that because they, they're, they're more into the GM saving proposition.

00:08:04.760 — 00:08:48.000 · Brendan Mayer

Jimmy was a victim of his own success in a lot of ways. You know, he started out kind of as a run and gun outlaw songwriter wanted to be like Jerry Jeff Walker and those guys, but he ended up accidentally accidentally writing a couple hits, which did amazing things for him personally in the way he got to see the world and continue making music.

But it also changed the way a lot of people saw him, and forever Will. You know, he's never he could never escape. Cheeseburger in Paradise in Margaritaville, for better or for worse. They're great songs, but there are specific things. So for a lot of people, you're just never it. They're just always going to think of that as what Jimmy means.

But our hope is that they come to one of our shows and maybe see the other side as well.

00:08:48.160 — 00:09:12.320 · Matt Hoffman

Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, just as a singer songwriter, He's. You think about a lot of his songs either lyrically, you know, harmonically or melodically. Like you could put him up against a Beatles song or a dead song. I'm not saying one's better than the other, but like, you know, three, three chords.

Maybe throw a minor chord in there like it's, it's it's pretty similar in that regard.

00:09:12.360 — 00:09:36.680 · Bob Barrick

Yeah. I like to play him up against Dylan. I mean, Dylan is to me like the, you know, the Shakespeare of America. But, um, uh, Jimi has a prosaic way with words that, you know, just like it has to be in the same conversation as, as, as the real focus, you know, now, when the mayor finally got on board with the Coral Reefer Band, that's when they started doing the, you know, the heady day.

00:09:38.000 — 00:09:39.200 · Tyler Gwynn

Steely Dan kind of.

00:09:39.240 — 00:09:40.480 · Bob Barrick

Well, so, you know.

00:09:40.520 — 00:09:48.040 · Matt Hoffman

Yeah. Tell me about that. I'm not going to ask you to speak for your dad, but what are some of your early memories of your dad? Part of the band?

00:09:48.080 — 00:09:49.880 · Brendan Mayer

Jimi, it's.

00:09:49.960 — 00:09:50.440 · Matt Hoffman

It's.

00:09:50.440 — 00:09:50.680 · Tyler Gwynn

Such.

00:09:50.680 — 00:10:13.470 · Brendan Mayer

A huge part of my life story. I mean, I was born the year my dad started with Jimmy in 1989, and my dad had a record deal with another band that he was heading up at that time with Warner Brothers in the late 80s, and they lost their deal. And their producer, Elliot Scheiner, was Steely Dan's producer, and he happened to be doing Jimmy's a run of a couple of Jimmy's records.

And the way he is right.

00:10:13.750 — 00:10:14.870 · Bob Barrick

Now, it's my favorites.

00:10:15.070 — 00:10:39.710 · Brendan Mayer

So Jimmy was looking for a new band. There was kind of that first wave of Coral Reefers that was kind of the rough and tumble days. And and Jimmy made a decision at a certain point, like kind of, you know, not in an unkind way, but we need to clean up our act here a little bit. So, you know, my dad was a pretty, uh, clean cut guy, heavy into the jazz scene and played the hot licks of the time and basically.

00:10:41.310 — 00:10:43.030 · Tyler Gwynn

The hot licks of the tough, hot.

00:10:43.030 — 00:10:44.030 · Brendan Mayer

Licks of the time.

00:10:44.510 — 00:10:47.510 · Tyler Gwynn

He's a kind of sewer hot, ready for the jazz oven learning guitar.

00:10:47.510 — 00:10:49.470 · Matt Hoffman

In the 90s, there were books called Hot Licks.

00:10:51.110 — 00:10:54.430 · Tyler Gwynn

But there's a kind of fedora on the cover. Yeah, but.

00:10:54.430 — 00:11:19.150 · Brendan Mayer

It ushered in a cool time because that after that was kind of I think of it as like similar to kind of late career James Taylor. Um, Jimmy started working with Russ Kunkel a lot. James is a drummer, you know, played on fire, Rain and stuff, and the sound kind of became like a cool. It was still that same songwriter, singer songwriter esthetic, but it was a little more of that, I don't know, adult contemporary.

00:11:19.190 — 00:11:21.070 · Bob Barrick

You started to incorporate a lot of world music.

00:11:21.110 — 00:11:25.430 · Brendan Mayer

World music, some jazz. So yeah, it was cool. It was very cool.

00:11:25.430 — 00:12:04.380 · Matt Hoffman

I uh, so my friends, my college friends were all massive fans. Different people got on the bus at different times. We saw them in Mansfield and they wound up releasing the the live record of it. But like they opened the show with great heart, which. Yeah, some of those. Yeah. What a some of those like 80s albums or early 90s albums are sort of off my radar.

But this one friend of mine starts freaking out. He's like. Happen to listen to a lot of Johnny Clegg as a kid? Yeah. And like, I mean, yeah, I think there's a lot, uh, a lot of different things that Jimmy brings to the table for a lot of different people. Um, was your dad playing slide when he started with the band?

00:12:04.420 — 00:12:46.620 · Brendan Mayer

So my dad had to learn slide guitar from. That all came about when Jimmy did the License to Chill record. My dad had done a little bit of slide guitar, but he it was pretty. It was cool and edgy, but it was a little ragged and not polished the way you see him now. But Jimmy brought onboard Sonny Landreth, one of the best slide players in the country, in my opinion, out of Louisiana.

And to play on that License to Chill country record. And my dad was kind of like, oh, okay, I see how that's done. So Sonny was very kind and actually kind of showed him some of the tricks of the trade and the little secret techniques. And it's been cool to see because now my dad's just like, oh, yeah, you know, it's it's an awesome.

That's something I'd like to explore more.

00:12:46.660 — 00:12:50.180 · Matt Hoffman

Yeah. I was curious as to how much experience you have with it.

00:12:50.220 — 00:12:52.540 · Tyler Gwynn

A very, very poor experience.

00:12:52.580 — 00:12:54.340 · Brendan Mayer

It doesn't sound great, but.

00:12:54.380 — 00:13:03.580 · Tyler Gwynn

I mean, when we played with them in Nashville, it was like insane when he was like, he just came on and was doing, I don't even know what he was doing, but I was blown away by his technique and ability with the slide.

00:13:03.580 — 00:13:15.820 · Bob Barrick

He's got a Hendrix thing going on, you know, and everything that he does where like he'll do some things that feel like it's noise and then he'll drop in the most, you know, melodic shit. You know, he's. Yeah, he's a master.

00:13:15.860 — 00:13:18.900 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah. Peter Mayer is pretty good at guitar. I'll tell you. He's not bad. Yeah. He's not.

00:13:19.100 — 00:13:20.300 · Bob Barrick

Yeah. He's one of the better ones.

00:13:20.300 — 00:13:20.540 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah.

00:13:20.700 — 00:13:33.780 · Matt Hoffman

But I mean yeah, I'd love to hear like, you hear them do the dead thing a little bit with, like, some of the covers, but like. Yeah, give me a ten minute Scarlet Begonias where, like, Peter and Mack are just go in the town like, fuck yeah.

00:13:33.780 — 00:13:44.020 · Bob Barrick

That's what I was thinking. What? I went to go see him at Deer Creek, man. They started. They started doing Scarlet. Know they were doing Harbor. And I was like, all right, let's go. Are we gonna go into Scarlet? Come on. Like, they know I'm here. Like.

00:13:46.300 — 00:13:48.730 · Tyler Gwynn

Jimmy. Jimmy! It's crazy. This whole show is for me.

00:13:49.650 — 00:14:05.770 · Brendan Mayer

Jimmy loved the dead so much, like he often would talk about, like the, you know, the shared blood of the parenthood and the and the deadhead and he. But it was interesting. Jimmy was so, like, not strict, but he had a really specific idea of the song length, except for Desdemona was.

00:14:05.770 — 00:14:06.050 · Matt Hoffman

Building.

00:14:06.050 — 00:14:06.130 · Brendan Mayer

00:14:06.130 — 00:14:06.490 · Tyler Gwynn

Rocket.

00:14:07.090 — 00:14:09.130 · Matt Hoffman

And, uh, Godzilla. Godzilla drunk.

00:14:09.170 — 00:14:09.570 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah, yeah.

00:14:09.570 — 00:14:34.130 · Brendan Mayer

But he was basically like, solos need to be pretty, like, regulated and scheduled. And they would always joke about it in the band, like, okay, I better use my eight bars well, tonight, because that's what I got. But but Jimmy loved the dead songs, which is kind of cool because he was all about like, let's just strip it down to the song because the dead wrote some incredible songs and they kind of left out the jamming part, which was an interesting approach, but cool to highlight the song.

00:14:34.170 — 00:14:36.970 · Bob Barrick

That's something overlooked about The Dead is for sure. Great songs are.

00:14:37.290 — 00:14:48.650 · Mickey Lenny

Awesome. Well, and one of my family traditions is every time I ski with my dad, we listen to the dad driving home, but we don't listen to a live album. We listen to studio.

00:14:48.690 — 00:14:49.130 · Matt Hoffman

00:14:49.250 — 00:14:50.250 · Mickey Lenny

We listened to.

00:14:51.610 — 00:14:52.050 · Tyler Gwynn

American.

00:14:52.050 — 00:14:53.250 · Mickey Lenny

Beauty. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you.

00:14:53.290 — 00:14:53.890 · Brendan Mayer

Yeah, it's so good.

00:14:53.930 — 00:14:54.730 · Mickey Lenny

I need a little more of this.

00:14:54.850 — 00:14:55.210 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah.

00:14:56.210 — 00:15:24.930 · Matt Hoffman

Well, along those lines of the song. Mickey. Um, you know, so as a jazz player, kind of coming up like a lot of jazz standards. Used to be pop tunes, right? Like 7500 years ago. You know, Autumn leaves had lyrics. Like, a lot of these songs had lyrics, but you get far enough removed from that and it's like, oh, yeah, it's just the jazz standard.

Um, you can think of the Dead's music similarly, and I think Jimi's music similarly.

00:15:24.970 — 00:15:25.890 · Mickey Lenny

100%.

00:15:25.890 — 00:15:26.969 · Matt Hoffman

Like how

00:15:28.330 — 00:15:39.890 · Matt Hoffman

coming more from your jazz background, I guess, like, what's it like sort of trying on Jimi's songs when you're playing, you know, keys, trumpet, electric wind, what have you? Yeah.

00:15:40.210 — 00:16:41.160 · Mickey Lenny

Yeah. I mean, it's it's all it's all the same really. You know, you you have your you have your head. You have your melody, then you have your solos or exploration space and then some sort of recapitulation. And, you know, I actually I spent a lot of time in like the free improv, like kind of getting into the really weird, weird shit because jazz felt a little too formulaic for me.

Um, and that's one thing I love about playing with this band is like, it doesn't it doesn't necessarily feel formulaic. We don't we don't always have a plan, you know? We know maybe we're playing this song and after this chorus, there's a question mark. And that's something that, you know, really, really is exciting to me.

And, you know, I think what Bob said earlier, I type band playing loose, um, like that to me that is where the where the joy really like that's where the life really is breathed into it night after night.

00:16:41.160 — 00:16:47.160 · Bob Barrick

It takes us so such interesting places. Like last night in the changes jam we got all the way to Egypt.

00:16:47.200 — 00:16:47.920 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah.

00:16:48.360 — 00:16:50.280 · Bob Barrick

It was like a changes in longitudes.

00:16:50.320 — 00:16:50.880 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah.

00:16:52.360 — 00:16:52.640 · Brendan Mayer

Now.

00:16:53.040 — 00:16:57.440 · Matt Hoffman

Like, do you know, going into a set which tunes you're going to stretch out versus what you're not?

00:16:57.480 — 00:16:59.040 · Brendan Mayer

We talk through it pretty.

00:16:59.080 — 00:16:59.920 · Mickey Lenny

It's to some degree.

00:16:59.960 — 00:17:03.400 · Brendan Mayer

Yeah, but fun fact we've only ever had two rehearsals as a band. Ever.

00:17:03.440 — 00:17:03.840 · Bob Barrick

Really?

00:17:03.880 — 00:17:05.400 · Mickey Lenny

Yeah, I'm still at zero.

00:17:06.480 — 00:17:07.880 · Brendan Mayer

Mickey's never had the privilege.

00:17:07.920 — 00:17:10.680 · Matt Hoffman

See you guys. You guys are rehearsing in real time, I guess.

00:17:10.839 — 00:17:34.120 · Tyler Gwynn

Well, yeah, I mean, sometimes, like, when we. We'll have plans where it's like. Yes, this is a big jam. This is the big jam. And we'll, like, kind of do a small solo in this song. Like, but then sometimes the moment comes and we're like, oh no, we're gonna hang out here for a little bit. Like what? Yesterday?

What was it? Gumbo. Gumbo? Yeah, that gumbo was supposed to be, like, in and out. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, we were just like, oh, this is cool. It's kind of like, stay here for a minute and see what's going on.

00:17:34.120 — 00:17:54.470 · Matt Hoffman

I like that you guys played that too, because, like, it could be viewed as such a throwaway song. Like, it was always a fun one to see live, but, you know, you're not comparing that to a pirate. Looks at 46, but I mean, not every dead song. Like, by definition, not every song is going to be the best song like everybody but one is not going to be the best song.

Um.

00:17:54.750 — 00:18:11.790 · Bob Barrick

You know, what's cool is, like, Jimmy has his greatest hits. We're starting to develop our greatest hits, like tunes that we, uh, in our in our experience with an audience do really well. And it's not necessarily the obvious ones. Gumbo is one of them. Pascagoula runs one of them.

00:18:11.830 — 00:18:20.230 · Matt Hoffman

Pascagoula Run is great, by the way. I was thinking, uh, last night, um, you could, like, do a Pascagoula run, not fade away kind of thing.

00:18:20.430 — 00:18:21.430 · Bob Barrick

Oh, yeah, we felt great.

00:18:21.430 — 00:18:42.870 · Matt Hoffman

I was like, yeah, you got, like, the Bo Diddley beat. Yeah. But, um, well, like, so along those lines, what do you feel like has been the way to get Jimmy into jam bands minds and hearts. Like, what are you hearing after a show where people are like, wow, I never viewed Jimmy this way, but now whatever. To the extent people even talk that way.

00:18:42.990 — 00:19:23.430 · Tyler Gwynn

I think one thing to your point a second ago about where it's like we're kind of creating our own greatest hits in a way, like, you know, if it's if we're talking about fans who are like fans of jam bands who are, like, interested in Jimmy Buffett. Like, it kind of gives us that freedom where we don't have to be like, well, these are the hits.

This is what people it's just kind of up to us to be like, this is what we play the best and this is what we can, you know, get the most out of. So I think it's it's given us, you know, we're able to kind of curate what we what are us as fans have enjoyed playing and listening to and just like expose people to that and not have to worry about like what the the charts that are like.

What were the big hits in back in the day?

00:19:23.510 — 00:19:49.140 · Mickey Lenny

Yeah. And I think, you know, I, I'm really not a fan of trying to convince people, you know, it's we're we're here, we're doing our thing. We're having a good time. And it's pretty obvious to everybody out there. And if they don't like it, they don't like it. But more often than not, if you know, you hear a great song and then it goes into a psychedelic jam and then you hear another great song?

Like, if you like music, chances are you're going to get hooked by some part of the show.

00:19:49.180 — 00:19:54.460 · Matt Hoffman

I mean, as long as you know you're not being too hater ish, and I know that there can be.

00:19:54.500 — 00:19:55.340 · Tyler Gwynn

In the dancing.

00:19:55.460 — 00:20:18.660 · Matt Hoffman

Yeah. Let me let me back that up. Like people in the jam scene and in the Jimmy scene have strong opinions that they are not afraid to share. Oh, yeah. So, like, you know, on the one hand, you guys have the opportunity if you want to view it this way, to change both sides, hearts and minds. But like you've also got the challenge that those minds are looking at different way of going.

00:20:18.860 — 00:20:24.460 · Bob Barrick

I mean, I think that's how we look at every show we go into is how are we going to make these haters?

00:20:26.740 — 00:20:29.220 · Matt Hoffman

No discerning, critical fans.

00:20:29.460 — 00:20:39.780 · Bob Barrick

So there's an element of people come to the show and they expect a cover band, right. And we don't even use the word cover band. We we kind of jokingly call ourselves a continuation act.

00:20:39.980 — 00:20:40.860 · Matt Hoffman

I love it.

00:20:41.020 — 00:21:17.580 · Bob Barrick

It's a little tongue in cheek, But so every time we go out on stage, it's this process of trying to convince the audience that what you're here for is not just a replication. And we tend to we see a turn about halfway through the set where if there are people that don't like it, you know, however, many of them are usually not that many have have stepped out, and the people that are into it are like, oh, I get it now.

And I'm in, you know, um, so that's it's it's an interesting challenge that I don't know, I think that we've kind of succeeded.

00:21:17.660 — 00:21:18.060 · Tyler Gwynn

I think.

00:21:18.060 — 00:21:18.180 · Matt Hoffman

We.

00:21:18.180 — 00:21:18.740 · Bob Barrick

Go across the.

00:21:18.740 — 00:21:21.060 · Tyler Gwynn

Board, and I think we don't put too much pressure on ourselves to.

00:21:21.460 — 00:21:21.780 · Bob Barrick

Like, no.

00:21:21.780 — 00:21:30.940 · Tyler Gwynn

Pressure. Yeah. We're it's like we're not, you know, it's like we I think we accept. We're we're like, we are not for everyone, you know, like, but if you're into what we're doing, I think we're going to do the best job we can for you.

00:21:30.980 — 00:21:34.140 · Bob Barrick

We did a Dave Matthews cover, um, at this one show, and.

00:21:34.180 — 00:21:34.940 · Tyler Gwynn

We're really just trying.

00:21:34.940 — 00:21:36.540 · Bob Barrick

To be the most divisive moment.

00:21:36.540 — 00:21:36.980 · Matt Hoffman

Yeah.

00:21:38.340 — 00:21:40.660 · Matt Hoffman

What was the tin tripping billies? Yeah. Okay.

00:21:40.700 — 00:21:41.610 · Tyler Gwynn

Because, uh. Jimmy.

00:21:41.650 — 00:21:42.170 · Matt Hoffman

Jimmy covered.

00:21:42.170 — 00:21:48.010 · Tyler Gwynn

It. Yeah. Yeah. We kind of have a it's kind of an unwritten rule where it's like, we'll cover songs he covered. Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:48.050 — 00:22:02.010 · Matt Hoffman

Well, do you know, uh, Jimmy played on the the Fish like Sharon and the groove thing? Yes. 20 years ago, I covered gumbo. Do you guys know why he covered gumbo? No. That's the only fish tune with parrot in its lyrics. Oh, interesting.

00:22:02.050 — 00:22:02.570 · Brendan Mayer

Okay.

00:22:02.610 — 00:22:03.490 · Matt Hoffman

It's fucking amazing.

00:22:03.530 — 00:22:06.930 · Mickey Lenny

We've had a few people mentioned, like, can you do a gumbo? Gumbo?

00:22:06.970 — 00:22:10.850 · Tyler Gwynn

Like our buddy, our buddy Tom Nantucket has been mentioning it for quite a while.

00:22:11.290 — 00:22:21.050 · Bob Barrick

Yeah. Was that a good one? Unspoken rule of how he picked covers was because it seems like all the covers have something to do with they. There's, like, the ocean is in there somehow, whether it's in passing.

00:22:21.090 — 00:22:56.370 · Brendan Mayer

I think he, Jimmy had a really keen sense of what his fans would connect with. That was kind of his genius, but really, from my experience, he just picked songs he loved. He Jimmy was as much of a music fan as anyone I've ever met in my life, and he got so hyped about songs from other people and he never felt I never saw him get weird and competitive, like Jimmy was not a hater when it came to other artists.

He was like, that's so cool. I want to do it and share that with my fans through my lens. And I think as long as we kind of follow the same tack, we'll be in pretty darn good shape.

00:22:56.610 — 00:23:43.210 · Matt Hoffman

Absolutely. I mean, it's almost like you guys have this richly overflowing treasure chest that people have not known as out there. It's like, no, guys like this is here. Let me show you this wonderful thing. But it's like you're kind of doing it in a way that they can understand, right? So if you played somebody songs, you know, by heart and said, hey, there's a band that's focusing on Jimmy Buffett tunes, it would be like, okay, you know, no disrespect to those songs, but like, you know them by heart, right?

Um, the stuff that I always enjoyed about Jimmy's shows was, you know, you had your core tunes. You expected you had the periphery where it would probably be some of these tunes, and then it was like, oh, well, he's playing. Peanut butter conspiracy. Yeah. Okay. This is.

00:23:43.210 — 00:23:44.490 · Bob Barrick

Great. The last. Sorry.

00:23:44.530 — 00:23:47.290 · Mickey Lenny

Go ahead. It's a hell of a back catalog to just have.

00:23:47.490 — 00:24:07.450 · Bob Barrick

Yeah, yeah. The last show that I saw him before he passed away, it was at Red rocks. And he did, um, last mango in Paris in the Levant song. And it's like, no, 80% of the audience didn't really understand what was going on there. But to those of us who who were in the know, it was just like, oh man, it was pretty cool.

It was.

00:24:07.450 — 00:25:31.600 · Matt Hoffman

So I love that cool, you know. Well, I, I also I saw the reefers at the beginning of last year, uh, and reviewed it for JamBase and like the crowd was, was old fans, you know, like I was still one of the relatively younger guys in the crowd, which kind of happens whenever you get into the buffet, I guess, you know, after the 70s and 80s.

Yeah. Um, but like, it's cool to see how they're out there carrying the tradition forward. Right. And like, Jimmy obviously isn't singing lead on any of it, but Peter sings lead on Southern Cross and does it wonderfully. You know, Nadira sings lead on stuff. It's just so cool to me, as a massive fan of Jimmy's, that you guys are out there carrying it on in that way.

Like as the story of Jimmy Buffett continues to be told, like, you guys are a part of it, and that's fucking awesome. Yeah, yeah. As a as a fan. Well, and as a musician, I have to be perfectly honest when I first. So I learned of you guys through Max from Max, from The dwellers. Like I'd gotten to know him through Annapolis Bay grass they covered son of a son of a sailor like last year.

And I texted him, I'm like, dude, I'm a massive Buffett fan. And we, like, immediately got way closer. Nice. And he told me about you guys, and I was equal parts, like, so excited that you existed and so mad that I didn't think of the idea. Excited.

00:25:32.000 — 00:25:33.920 · Tyler Gwynn

We've heard that from a few people. It's like.

00:25:33.960 — 00:25:34.960 · Bob Barrick

Oh, it's genius.

00:25:35.360 — 00:26:21.440 · Matt Hoffman

Because, like, yeah, the tunes. I mean, so you think about other bands that are playing just other people's tunes, whether they be jazz players or like Jay Rad, who are jazz players. Most of those guys didn't grow up on the dead but are like, well, we're badass musicians and we're going to apply this to that catalog, which lends itself to it particularly well.

Um, it feels to me like you guys are doing that same thing with, with Jimi's music, you know? Um, like, I'm curious, uh, you had mentioned, uh, Mickey a little bit about some of the bands you had played with on the jazz side before you guys started focusing on Jimmy's music, what other kind of bands had you had you played in?

Um, doing original stuff, doing covers, etc. maybe. Tyler, start with you.

00:26:21.480 — 00:27:01.590 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah. Um, so I was in I was like, uh, when I really started, like, gigging hard when I first moved to Colorado, like when I was 18 and I joined a band called 10th Mountain Division, and we played for like ten years. And it was it was I was mostly in like the jam grass scene. So that's how I got to know the dwellers dudes.

And, um, you know, I really growing up, I was mostly into, like, punk rock emo music. And so it didn't really get into the jam scene until I moved out here, and then was just kind of like taken in as, like a drummer in the bluegrass scene, for better or worse. So, um, you know, it was a mix of that up and just kind of playing with whoever will have me from then on.

00:27:01.830 — 00:27:02.150 · Matt Hoffman

Well, I.

00:27:02.150 — 00:27:03.030 · Tyler Gwynn

Have to stand.

00:27:03.030 — 00:27:08.630 · Matt Hoffman

Me like you, sitting in with the dwellers last night, that was not bluegrass. That was fucking metal like it was.

00:27:08.630 — 00:27:10.150 · Bob Barrick

So it was so good.

00:27:10.190 — 00:27:21.550 · Mickey Lenny

His line has been, he's been ruining bluegrass festival for years, but in my opinion, like, it's there's nothing better than some like trad grass than some jam grass then whatever the hell that was.

00:27:21.590 — 00:27:30.110 · Tyler Gwynn

Well, so. All right. So yeah. So Torin and I, we like we he was we were both at, um, uh, what is the festival? I can't remember.

00:27:31.630 — 00:27:32.230 · Mickey Lenny

Nominee.

00:27:32.270 — 00:27:33.910 · Tyler Gwynn

No, it's the one down south.

00:27:33.950 — 00:27:34.150 · Bob Barrick

Oh.

00:27:34.190 — 00:27:58.950 · Tyler Gwynn

Tico time. Yeah. So me and Tauren were in at Tico Time, and he was giving me a ride home and on the drive. I was we were just like, started talking about music and like punk rock. And so we listened to like, turnstile. Then we listened to Japan droids and then Military guns. So we just like, got we. All of a sudden we were like, oh my God, we both love punk rock.

And you know. Then they, uh, he, they did a punk rock show Late Night at Winter Wonder Grass. And so I drummed for them and.

00:27:58.990 — 00:27:59.510 · Matt Hoffman

Wow.

00:27:59.750 — 00:28:02.750 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah, that was like a dream come true. I mean, those guys are unreal.

00:28:02.790 — 00:28:04.470 · Matt Hoffman

Do you remember some of the tunes you played?

00:28:04.470 — 00:28:09.430 · Tyler Gwynn

The pump tunes, 59 Sound by The Gaslight Anthem, Time bomb by rancid.

00:28:09.470 — 00:28:10.030 · Matt Hoffman

Nice.

00:28:10.030 — 00:28:16.830 · Tyler Gwynn

Uh, sound system. Uh, and then I want your skull bar. Is it the misfits, I think.

00:28:16.870 — 00:28:17.310 · Matt Hoffman

Okay.

00:28:17.630 — 00:28:18.830 · Tyler Gwynn

Um, but, uh.

00:28:18.870 — 00:28:20.510 · Matt Hoffman

When you say sound system, LCD sound.

00:28:20.670 — 00:28:38.820 · Tyler Gwynn

No, no sound system by operation Ivy. Ah, okay. And Lindsay Lou sang it like it was kind of the craziest thing about that. That whole experience was me hanging out with all these bluegrass guys and then being like, yeah, like John Stickley being like, I know every rancid song by heart and you're like, wait, where have you guys been for the last ten years?

00:28:38.860 — 00:28:39.660 · Bob Barrick

Like, I was like.

00:28:39.700 — 00:28:41.540 · Tyler Gwynn

I thought it was, like, all alone here.

00:28:41.580 — 00:28:42.700 · Bob Barrick

Yeah, yeah.

00:28:42.700 — 00:28:52.620 · Matt Hoffman

Well, people were looking at me funny last night, like singing every word to your guys set because, like, just nobody knows that stuff. But you go. You go deep on the catalog. Um, what's.

00:28:52.620 — 00:29:12.220 · Tyler Gwynn

Crazy, though, is in the in the scene, like you're talking about the dwellers guys, like so many people who I don't think we've all had this experience through this band. Like we've started playing shows and people come out of the woodwork. You'd never expect being like, yeah, I've been listening to Jimmy Buffett.

So that was two years. So, you know, like it's so many people's personal back catalog is Jimmy Buffett and you would never even know it.

00:29:12.220 — 00:29:29.780 · Matt Hoffman

And well, and it's also almost like to your point about his just like genius way with words like having a greatest hits album sort of called Songs You Don't Know by heart. Yeah, right. It's it's the perfect answer to the question of someone's like, I'm like this shit on songs, you know, by heart, like, well, check this out.

00:29:29.780 — 00:29:30.020 · Brendan Mayer

Yes.

00:29:30.180 — 00:29:30.980 · Bob Barrick

You don't know by heart.

00:29:31.220 — 00:29:33.940 · Matt Hoffman

Um, what kind of music had you been playing, Brendan?

00:29:33.940 — 00:31:13.330 · Brendan Mayer

Well, I mean, like I said, I grew up around Jimmy a whole lot. As a kid, my dad would bring me and my sister out on the road from a very young age, which was very cool of Jimmy to accommodate all those little kids running around backstage. So when I started picking up the guitar and playing music, it was influenced by that.

But but I was kind of an indie rock guy in my teens and had a band called The Turf that did pretty well, but it was it was kind of high energy. You know, The Strokes meets LCD Soundsystem meets Radiohead. So, um, but the older I got, the more I found myself returning to kind of that, that core esthetic, that core Jimmy thing, and started to really appreciate all the shit I got to see as a little kid and, and continue started going back to more Buffett shows to see my dad and, uh, and my dad and I started playing together more, which was a huge thing for me.

He kind of brought me into his band once I finished college and started doing music full time. So we've been working together for the past, gosh, almost 15 years now. We do a duo together. Um, it's called Peter and Brendan Mayer. And, um, it's awesome. It's really been a dream come true. And then, you know, especially since Jimmy passed, um, there's just like Bob was saying, there's such a desire and a need for people to want to come together and celebrate that music and fill that huge void that has been left.

So being getting involved with these guys has just been one of the the greatest gifts of my adult life. It's been so cool to stumble into this thing, because it feels like such a natural extension of what I've been doing, what I've been building towards. It feels like I was meant to do this ultimately, you know, this is like where my career was supposed to be.

00:31:13.330 — 00:31:17.530 · Tyler Gwynn

I think about that, too, where I was like, this is it's all kind of led to this kind of thing.

00:31:17.570 — 00:31:22.170 · Matt Hoffman

Yeah. As I've been saying, it's like the road kind of rises to meet you and 100%.

00:31:22.210 — 00:31:32.810 · Mickey Lenny

Yeah. And as I was walking down the aisle to get my jazz degree, Jimmy Buffett had just given my commencement speech. And little did I know that, you know, that's amazing.

00:31:32.810 — 00:31:35.610 · Matt Hoffman

And that's like a legendary commencement speech. Yeah, right.

00:31:35.650 — 00:31:42.330 · Mickey Lenny

And I had I didn't know. And then, you know, when Bob and I started talking, it was like, oh, yeah, I've watched that. Uh, yeah. You know.

00:31:42.450 — 00:31:43.770 · Bob Barrick

When you go deep enough, you watch a whole.

00:31:43.770 — 00:31:46.010 · Matt Hoffman

Thing. Eventually you'll see. You'll see all of it. Yeah.

00:31:46.010 — 00:31:47.770 · Tyler Gwynn

You see in the ring camera. No. Yeah.

00:31:49.610 — 00:31:52.370 · Matt Hoffman

Well, so how about you, Bob? Just musically, where'd you. Where'd you.

00:31:52.370 — 00:33:17.400 · Bob Barrick

Come? I've always been a singer songwriter, so, um, I've released, I don't know, almost ten albums of original music under my own name, under an old project, um, Kingdom. Jasmine. Um, and, you know, Jimmy has always been a part of my life. Ever since I was a little boy. Like, I was raised on his music. I went to his shows growing up.

It was always there. And there was a there was a period in my 20s. It's a similar story to Brendan and that where and I, I don't know, I kind of got too cool for it, maybe from outside peer pressure or whatever, but I would always find myself returning to the to the songs that I know by heart. Um, and those people don't.

And, uh, it was right around, I don't know, 30, 31 years old. It kind of hit me like a like a ton of bricks. I was like, oh, man, this is this is what I was supposed to do. I'm supposed to be caring for the tradition of not only these particular songs, but the ecosystem that these songs exist in. So it's changed the way that I write.

It's changed the way that I think of my career. Um, and it's just it's also just such an incredible honor, man. You know, um, being a I often go back to what it must have what, what five year old Bob must have thought about meeting Peter Mayer and, like, sleeping at his house. You know, I, I slept at Peter's house, and I had a dream where Jimi visited me.

00:33:17.440 — 00:33:17.840 · Matt Hoffman

Ha!

00:33:17.880 — 00:33:45.080 · Bob Barrick

I said, this is 100% true. I told Peter about it in the morning. I had a dream that that Jimi visited me, and he was teaching me in a group of musicians how to play Havana Daydream. And and he looked at me and he goes. He goes, so you think you're Jimi now, huh? And, uh. And and I was like, no, no, no, man, I'm just Bobby.

And. And he's like, all right. And then I woke up and, um, and I went to Peter. And Peter's a pretty spiritual guy. And I told him that story, and he goes, he goes, whoa, that's, you know, that's a that's a big burden there, Bob. And, uh, you know, it is. Yeah.

00:33:45.360 — 00:33:46.160 · Matt Hoffman

And then but it's.

00:33:46.240 — 00:33:49.000 · Tyler Gwynn

It's one of those things like, I think back as a kid, there's no way.

00:33:49.000 — 00:33:59.760 · Bob Barrick

I could have imagined ever. I'm sitting there, fifth row, and there's Peter and the deer and whatever. And, you know, you fast forward 30 years and, like, I can text him. Is it?

00:34:00.040 — 00:34:01.040 · Matt Hoffman

It's amazing.

00:34:01.080 — 00:34:01.240 · Bob Barrick

Yeah.

00:34:01.240 — 00:34:04.040 · Matt Hoffman

It's wild. Do you guys play anything off of any daydreaming?

00:34:05.160 — 00:34:07.760 · Matt Hoffman

Uh, well, you go ahead. Well, this this tour we.

00:34:07.800 — 00:34:18.720 · Brendan Mayer

Bob and I have done, uh, the title track for a while. Just the two of us. But it's the big anniversary, right? So we've we're going to incorporate quite a few of those songs into this tour. 50 years, 50 years and.

00:34:19.200 — 00:34:24.000 · Matt Hoffman

Women going crazy on Caroline Street, like, every, every single time. Just love it.

00:34:24.000 — 00:34:25.440 · Tyler Gwynn

It's my mom's favorite song.

00:34:25.520 — 00:34:26.679 · Matt Hoffman

Oh, yeah. It's beautiful.

00:34:26.720 — 00:34:27.480 · Bob Barrick

Yeah, yeah.

00:34:27.960 — 00:34:36.389 · Matt Hoffman

Tell me. Uh, well, so tell me about like, the Changes in Altitudes tour you guys are. How far into it at the moment? How much do you still have in front of you?

00:34:36.429 — 00:34:40.070 · Tyler Gwynn

Um, fresh into it? Yeah. Two dates. Today's one third. Yeah.

00:34:40.070 — 00:34:41.909 · Mickey Lenny

Okay. Yeah. I've only shaved once, you know.

00:34:41.950 — 00:34:42.389 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah.

00:34:43.230 — 00:34:44.550 · Matt Hoffman

You shave it all? Why?

00:34:44.590 — 00:34:45.870 · Mickey Lenny

Well, you gotta start out clean.

00:34:45.909 — 00:34:48.030 · Matt Hoffman

Yeah. That's fair, that's fair. It's too cold.

00:34:48.030 — 00:34:48.750 · Bob Barrick

Out there to shave.

00:34:48.750 — 00:34:49.149 · Matt Hoffman

Man.

00:34:49.190 — 00:34:50.710 · Mickey Lenny

Oh, man. Oh, I'm not talking about the beard.

00:34:51.550 — 00:34:51.790 · Tyler Gwynn

Oh.

00:34:51.550 — 00:34:51.790 · Tyler Gwynn

00:34:52.470 — 00:34:54.830 · Mickey Lenny

Just a little cleanup around. Oh, okay. He's out.

00:34:57.310 — 00:34:58.990 · Tyler Gwynn

It's disgusting. Yeah.

00:34:58.990 — 00:35:04.030 · Matt Hoffman

Wow. Well, so this tour wraps what, like, in February, March, early February.

00:35:04.150 — 00:35:05.710 · Bob Barrick

And then we had the Florida six.

00:35:05.750 — 00:35:06.390 · Brendan Mayer

Yeah.

00:35:06.790 — 00:35:08.270 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah. Florida's going to be sick.

00:35:08.310 — 00:35:35.630 · Matt Hoffman

Oh, man. Florida. Like, I just hope they're ready. I mean, I'm sure a lot of people down there are ready, but it's like, you know, I want the jam band people to be ready. I want the parrot heads to be ready. I want the, like, top 40 people to be ready. Like this. I mean, a lot of it was on the top 40 and the stuff that wasn't could have been, you know, but for whatever, you know, the way the business works.

Do you guys have any, like, festivals lined up soon? The spring? The summer?

00:35:35.670 — 00:35:36.190 · Brendan Mayer

Absolutely.

00:35:36.230 — 00:35:48.910 · Bob Barrick

Yeah, we have a couple. Um, we have a couple of festival dates that are not announced yet, so just stay tuned for that. But one that has been announced is the Levitate Music Festival. And, uh, Marshfield, Massachusetts. Um, who's headlining that? Alanis Morissette?

00:35:49.030 — 00:35:49.390 · Matt Hoffman

Oh.

00:35:49.670 — 00:35:56.150 · Tyler Gwynn

Super cool. And then, um, Royal. Royal Otis is involved? I think so. Yeah. It's awesome. It's a great guys. It's a great.

00:35:56.150 — 00:36:11.390 · Brendan Mayer

Fest to put that on. They they had us for the first time early when we were really just getting going as a touring band. That was one of our first big shows. They had us kind of on as a special guest slot and that was great. So we're doing it for real this time, and we're excited.

00:36:11.390 — 00:36:13.790 · Mickey Lenny

And, uh, Peter will be joining us down in the keys.

00:36:13.830 — 00:36:15.030 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah.

00:36:16.230 — 00:36:18.190 · Tyler Gwynn

Well, that is just. That's irresponsible.

00:36:18.230 — 00:36:19.990 · Matt Hoffman

I don't know if I need to, like, manufacturer.

00:36:20.350 — 00:36:21.070 · Brendan Mayer

Oh, you got to get that.

00:36:21.110 — 00:36:23.230 · Bob Barrick

Well, it's March 21st and 22nd, I believe.

00:36:23.270 — 00:36:23.830 · Tyler Gwynn

Oh, no.

00:36:24.230 — 00:36:27.350 · Brendan Mayer

That's the Immokalee. It's 13 or.

00:36:27.350 — 00:36:28.940 · Mickey Lenny

13. 14. 1314. Right around.

00:36:28.940 — 00:36:39.180 · Bob Barrick

There. That's cool. Immokalee, too. Yeah. So we're playing with Peter and Key West, and then we're we're playing this this event at the hard Rock Casino in Immokalee, Florida. And Mac is headlining the playing.

00:36:39.460 — 00:36:41.660 · Brendan Mayer

Yeah, we were playing well.

00:36:41.660 — 00:36:54.180 · Matt Hoffman

So so my last question for you guys, and I'm going to ask it, I don't want each of you to think of an answer, and I'll ask you to answer it one at a time. And don't change your answer based on whatever somebody else says. Sure. Um, do.

00:36:54.180 — 00:36:55.180 · Bob Barrick

We need to go? Earmuffs.

00:36:55.220 — 00:36:56.780 · Matt Hoffman

No, no, no, I trust you guys.

00:36:56.980 — 00:36:58.860 · Tyler Gwynn

Scouts. Who's your least favorite member?

00:37:00.060 — 00:37:00.820 · Matt Hoffman

Who's the worst guy?

00:37:01.020 — 00:37:01.580 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah.

00:37:01.700 — 00:37:01.980 · Bob Barrick

Um.

00:37:02.340 — 00:37:39.420 · Matt Hoffman

You know, like, if you were to. Let's say there's a fan of jam bands, right? And you wanted to introduce them to Jimmy and start to show them, like, part of what you think might be, you know, appealing to them or something that kind of highlights that overlap between the parrot head scene and the jam scene.

Uh, it can't be a cover. Um, unless it's a cover that like Jimmy really, really made his own. Um. Or. No, I take that back. It can be a cover. Okay. Because, like, covers were a big part of what got me into Phish early on. Sure. Yeah. Um, so.

00:37:40.420 — 00:37:57.620 · Brendan Mayer

There's a famous real quick. There's a famous story. Uh, you know, apparently the anecdote is that Van Morrison was asked about Brown Eyed Girl at one point after Jimmy had started doing it. We were talking. You mean the Jimmy Buffett song? So, do you know Jimmy has a long history of stealing songs for himself and making people believe that he wrote them.

00:37:57.660 — 00:38:00.900 · Matt Hoffman

And making them better? It's like with, uh, like, Watch Along.

00:38:00.900 — 00:38:08.060 · Matt Hoffman

The Watchtower, too. Like, if I want to show somebody why that song is great, I'm not playing. I'm Dylan, I'm playing them Hendrix. Like, um.

00:38:08.060 — 00:38:08.500 · Bob Barrick

You're gonna play.

00:38:08.500 — 00:38:11.900 · Tyler Gwynn

Dumb Dave Matthews. You're not playing him live at all. Let's go.

00:38:12.140 — 00:38:28.010 · Matt Hoffman

Well, so the recently EP came out when I was in high school. Like that one got a lot of spins, but I was a hater back then and I was like, this is how it goes. Like, yeah, this isn't the Dylan version. I mean, I was like, eh, what a there's a Bright Eyes lyric that describes is.

00:38:28.010 — 00:38:28.610 · Tyler Gwynn

Like.

00:38:29.330 — 00:38:29.769 · Matt Hoffman

The

00:38:30.970 — 00:38:40.970 · Matt Hoffman

soul my tortured youth piston vinegar. I'm still angry with no reason to be like that was me as a reasonably well-adjusted suburban kid. Just got to be pissed off at something.

00:38:41.010 — 00:38:44.730 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah, and Dave Matthews, somehow Dave Matthews just caught flack. Yeah.

00:38:44.730 — 00:38:47.770 · Matt Hoffman

Yeah, right. It's like, oh, this amazingly talented guy.

00:38:47.810 — 00:38:49.570 · Brendan Mayer

Oh, yeah. It seems like a great guy.

00:38:49.570 — 00:38:50.530 · Matt Hoffman

And yeah.

00:38:50.570 — 00:38:50.770 · Brendan Mayer

Yeah.

00:38:50.810 — 00:38:51.490 · Mickey Lenny

Yeah. I mean.

00:38:51.970 — 00:38:52.410 · Matt Hoffman

What a.

00:38:52.570 — 00:38:53.490 · Tyler Gwynn

Song. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:53.530 — 00:39:05.010 · Mickey Lenny

It's the same thing with Jimi. You become a victim of your own success. You know, people might dislike a person they know who really likes Dave Matthews. Yeah, and that's why they disliked it.

00:39:05.050 — 00:39:06.410 · Matt Hoffman

Oh, yeah? You rebel against.

00:39:06.410 — 00:39:08.730 · Bob Barrick

What? Something happened to Nickelback.

00:39:08.770 — 00:39:10.930 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah, yeah. Is this the Canadians?

00:39:12.330 — 00:39:41.090 · Mickey Lenny

At the end of the day, you know, like, music is special because it's one of the truly living art forms. You know, it's not a painting. It's not a book. It songs continue to grow and get legs. And you know. You know, there's a there's a line in the it's kind of become a meme in the dead community. Like it took so many shows for China Cat.

And I know you rider to find each other like your person's out there, like you'll find love.

00:39:42.010 — 00:40:06.170 · Matt Hoffman

Well, that's the other funny thing about the dead. So, like, I have somebody who are bigger fans than I am. And like, with the 50th anniversary release of Blues for Allah, it's like I forget how they pronounce it. They pronounce it one way or the other. But like, it's hard for me to imagine a time where it's like, yeah, there was a time before Bertha was written.

So like, because anytime I've heard anything, it's been everything that had been written.

00:40:06.170 — 00:40:11.170 · Mickey Lenny

There was a time before they they had a first drums in space. Yeah. Maybe it wasn't on purpose.

00:40:11.210 — 00:40:11.890 · Matt Hoffman

Yeah, exactly.

00:40:11.890 — 00:40:12.610 · Mickey Lenny

We don't know.

00:40:12.650 — 00:40:17.930 · Matt Hoffman

It's. It's crazy. Well, so I'm sorry. So Brandon Southern Cross I think is your answer.

00:40:17.970 — 00:40:21.530 · Tyler Gwynn

Jimmy's version. Yeah. Jimmy. Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah.

00:40:22.010 — 00:40:23.010 · Matt Hoffman

Yeah. Heard Stephen.

00:40:23.010 — 00:40:23.330 · Tyler Gwynn

Stills.

00:40:23.770 — 00:40:24.570 · Matt Hoffman

From your from your.

00:40:24.800 — 00:40:25.760 · Brendan Mayer

Let's go with Southern Cross.

00:40:25.800 — 00:40:27.640 · Matt Hoffman

Okay, I like it. How about you, Mickey?

00:40:28.520 — 00:40:56.160 · Mickey Lenny

I think son of a sailor. Come Monday, I know that's two songs. But the poetry. And like, I remember, like listening to come Monday on Labor Day weekend and just, just it just hit so hard and like it has that American Beauty side of things. And the way we do those is, you know, very much a playground for improvization within the confines of this beautiful song or songs.

00:40:56.320 — 00:40:57.960 · Matt Hoffman

Very well said, Tyler.

00:40:57.960 — 00:41:06.040 · Tyler Gwynn

I got two as well. Um, I would say Tin Cup Chalice. I personally that's just like my favorite song. Reminds me of my hometown. And, uh.

00:41:06.120 — 00:41:10.080 · Matt Hoffman

Why does it remind you of Massachusetts? Oh, you grew up on the Cape?

00:41:10.120 — 00:41:38.760 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah, yeah. So it's just like, you know, getting high on the beach, but. Yeah. No. I'm kidding. Uh, the, uh. No, it's just like that. Like, super like, you know, slow life, beach life. Like, it really does remind me of. Just like the vibe of growing up in that area. And then, um, and I think that, you know, our version of it like it again, it like opens it up and it's like brings a lot of emotion out.

I think it's a really beautiful song. And then, uh, Jamaica mistake of. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:39.120 — 00:41:40.880 · Mickey Lenny

We've started calling him Jamaica Pete.

00:41:42.240 — 00:41:44.840 · Mickey Lenny

We don't know how he feels about it. Yeah. But, uh.

00:41:45.160 — 00:41:57.200 · Matt Hoffman

Yeah, uh, that whole album is just like, there's a lot of stuff that people have missed here and there along the way. Like, that album is a gem. Uh, in my mind. I love that one. Uh, banana wind. Uh, Bob, how about you?

00:41:57.240 — 00:41:59.680 · Bob Barrick

Yeah. Math sucks. Um.

00:42:00.680 — 00:42:03.280 · Matt Hoffman

Season math sucks or my gummy just. Yeah, one.

00:42:03.280 — 00:42:03.400 · Mickey Lenny

Or.

00:42:03.400 — 00:42:03.880 · Matt Hoffman

The other.

00:42:04.080 — 00:42:11.680 · Bob Barrick

Hey, I call me crazy. I like that sucks. I don't know, it's written by a good friend of mine. Um, and, um. Uh, so, um.

00:42:11.680 — 00:42:12.440 · Tyler Gwynn

No, no, no, sorry.

00:42:12.440 — 00:42:23.590 · Bob Barrick

That's really uncertain. We don't play this. Um, but as I said here, thinking about it, I'm gonna go this beach House on the moon from the album beach House on the moon. Yeah. Um, a later one. Yeah, On math sucks.

00:42:24.030 — 00:42:25.790 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah. One of the greatest album covers of all time.

00:42:25.830 — 00:42:32.990 · Bob Barrick

It's so funny. Um, you can tell that they were like. They were. They had just, like, settled into success. They were like, just take a picture.

00:42:33.030 — 00:42:33.750 · Tyler Gwynn

I always imagine.

00:42:33.750 — 00:42:35.430 · Bob Barrick

These fucking parrot heads will buy it.

00:42:35.470 — 00:42:39.950 · Tyler Gwynn

I always imagine I always imagined it was the morning and Jim was like, oh crap, I forgot.

00:42:39.950 — 00:42:40.030 · Bob Barrick

To.

00:42:40.030 — 00:42:42.150 · Tyler Gwynn

Get. He was like, Ramos, get a camera.

00:42:42.590 — 00:42:45.550 · Matt Hoffman

They're like, let's just use this as a placeholder. We'll get something better later.

00:42:45.590 — 00:42:58.990 · Bob Barrick

But yeah, beach House is like this really spacey. It's a, you know, it makes sense to me, but, like, really spacey, kind of weird, um, modal tune. And it it's the sort of thing that people will listen to it and,

00:43:00.070 — 00:43:05.790 · Bob Barrick

and they won't think of Jimmy, you know, they'll they'll think of something else. It'd be like, I don't know that he did this, you know.

00:43:05.830 — 00:43:06.429 · Matt Hoffman

00:43:07.990 — 00:43:09.150 · Matt Hoffman

I'm trying to think of how, yeah.

00:43:09.150 — 00:43:09.630 · Bob Barrick

We gotta get.

00:43:09.630 — 00:43:22.150 · Matt Hoffman

Yours. Well, what I would not recommend is the way I introduce introduced my closest friend in the world, uh, to Jimmy, which was a pencil thin mustache studio version. Oh, not not a great.

00:43:22.190 — 00:43:23.270 · Tyler Gwynn

It's an uphill battle.

00:43:23.310 — 00:43:28.550 · Matt Hoffman

Well, yeah, but like, if, you know, I kept kind of pushing. It's like, no, no, no, you need to come to a show.

00:43:28.550 — 00:43:30.550 · Mickey Lenny

And they're not a Ricky Ricardo fan.

00:43:30.590 — 00:43:31.030 · Tyler Gwynn

Yes.

00:43:31.030 — 00:43:34.590 · Matt Hoffman

He's fine, he's fine. Yeah. Some some girl cream little devil, do ya.

00:43:34.670 — 00:43:37.310 · Tyler Gwynn

That's timeless references in that. Exactly, exactly.

00:43:37.550 — 00:43:38.990 · Matt Hoffman

Those have just lasted forever.

00:43:38.990 — 00:43:45.950 · Tyler Gwynn

What was the song that he was like? He never did. Because it's just the reference that went something like this concert.

00:43:45.990 — 00:43:46.870 · Brendan Mayer

Oh, yeah.

00:43:46.910 — 00:43:47.510 · Bob Barrick

Manana.

00:43:47.550 — 00:43:52.150 · Tyler Gwynn

Manana. Yeah. He was he didn't you say, didn't you say once he's like, yeah, these references don't hold up.

00:43:52.190 — 00:43:53.630 · Brendan Mayer

Well yeah. Well Jimmy, really.

00:43:53.670 — 00:43:55.110 · Matt Hoffman

Gene Simmons would probably sue him.

00:43:57.430 — 00:44:05.790 · Brendan Mayer

Yeah. He did cover a lot of topical shit in his songs, which which is cool. But yeah, it makes some of them very much like relics of a certain time and place.

00:44:05.830 — 00:44:10.470 · Bob Barrick

Like, I hope an audience never, ever does one of my songs. Yeah. Who the hell is Anita Bryant?

00:44:10.470 — 00:44:11.350 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah, right.

00:44:11.550 — 00:44:13.270 · Bob Barrick

I had to look it up and it was. It's interesting.

00:44:13.430 — 00:44:23.380 · Matt Hoffman

Well, but. So, uh, like, just thinking out loud and I'm not going to give one answer because I don't don't think I can. Um. Uh, they don't dance like Carmen. Mhm.

00:44:23.420 — 00:44:24.540 · Brendan Mayer

Oh, great. I'm Carmen.

00:44:24.740 — 00:44:27.420 · Matt Hoffman

Yeah, I know who she is. Because of Jimmy.

00:44:27.580 — 00:44:27.860 · Brendan Mayer

Sure.

00:44:27.900 — 00:44:33.900 · Matt Hoffman

Yeah. Um, there's a cover he did, uh, Ballad of Spider John. Oh, I think is just a one.

00:44:34.100 — 00:44:34.620 · Bob Barrick

00:44:34.100 — 00:44:34.620 · Bob Barrick

Ramsey. Yeah.

00:44:34.660 — 00:44:45.740 · Matt Hoffman

Yeah. Just a wonderful song. Um, in terms of originals, for me, it doesn't get much better than whether it's here. Yeah, it's great because I'm kind of captures the whole vibe.

00:44:45.820 — 00:44:49.300 · Tyler Gwynn

Wasn't it in Felton where we tried to do the intro? Do you remember.

00:44:49.340 — 00:44:51.020 · Bob Barrick

Tries? We succeeded.

00:44:51.060 — 00:44:51.820 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah, we were just.

00:44:51.860 — 00:44:53.100 · Matt Hoffman

You guys fucking nailed it.

00:44:53.140 — 00:44:53.540 · Tyler Gwynn

Yeah, I.

00:44:53.540 — 00:44:54.380 · Matt Hoffman

Think it's what we need.

00:44:56.180 — 00:44:57.420 · Tyler Gwynn

Where's my damn.

00:44:58.580 — 00:44:59.420 · Mickey Lenny

Band?

00:45:01.060 — 00:45:05.900 · Matt Hoffman

Oh my God, I guys, I love it. I can talk to you all day and I look forward to doing it.

00:45:06.100 — 00:45:06.820 · Bob Barrick

Thank you for having us.

00:45:06.860 — 00:45:10.100 · Matt Hoffman

Thank you so much. This has been amazing and a lot of fun for me. Thank you so much.

00:45:10.620 — 00:45:11.220 · Mickey Lenny

Thank you.